Man this is a fucked up tragedy. 32 people dead and more injured.
What is wrong with people today?

Very sad! The guy has to be a real sicko!

I just can't understand why it is not safe to get an education anywhere.
Junior high, Senior highs, colleges. WTF???

also the shooting started at a dorm building then 2 hours later he started shooting people at a building across campus. Why in the hell did it take 2 hours for something to be done. people should have been notified immediately what the hell.

Good question.

Prayers to them all.

I don't understand the need to have guns like people do anymore!!!!! It is getting ridiculous!! It doesn't matter if you are at school, the mall, the street or what, some fucked up individual has to go out and shoot innocent people!!!

I can understand the cops with guns, or if you are hunting game..........but nobody else really needs to have a gun anymore!! This isn't the 'wild, wild west' afterall, we are supposed to be civilized!!!

I don't get it.

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some messed up shit to say the least.
it's one thing to off youself, but to try and take that many others with you.
baffling and sad.

It's especially sad that there was a two hour span between shootings and it got to the point that it did where 30+ people have lost their lives, and all the shooter was looking for was his girlfriend, just baffles the mind that someone can sink to that level to want to take not only his own life but that of over 30 others just for his suffering.

Thoughts and prayers all to those at VA Tech and their families, definitely will be a day forever etched in history.

Its taking the a grouping of people diverse in thought and sparking up friction... its just a pool of potential violence

How sad

I can't even imagine going through any of that..
Definetly praying for everyone involved.

It's real sad to hear kids talk about being afraid to go to school.

I bet there will be tightened security on all campuses nationwide. All gunstores within walking distances to campus will prolly be scrutinzed.


What is pissing me off is the media. It hasnt been one day and the media are frothing at the fucking mouth to try and get information and crying students... I swear to god it seems like the media is acting like.. FINALLY somehing tragic to report... Lets ask a bunch of stupid questions right out of the gate. Hey maybe this random fuck knows everything about what happened.. lets ask him or her. Plus the specualtion... terrorism... Chiense plot .. yadda yadda..... or some fucking moronic student who didn't get the date he wanted.

I hate that it happened. Especially that Holocaust survivor german teacher who held the door taking bullets while his students escaped. He should have a posthumous medal or something. Im sure there will be other tales. But we all have to give it time.

Prayers to all of the VT students and families who Visit RMM And I am sorry for your loss.

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What a sad stupid act, and from what I gather from the media he took the cowardly way out and killed himself.
Personaly I think they should now take his body and hang it in the public square and let the birds pick his corpse to the bones. Maybe that would discourage any wannabe copycats to think again.
On the gun issue and I do believe in the right to bear arms (i know this is 'overstated?') People kill People guns don't. There are lots of ways to kill other than with guns, thank god he didn't just throw pipe bombs into each classroom as he passed.
What if a few of those people were packing guns themselves? A person may think twice if they think someone might shoot back.
It was just a sad senseless cowardly act and my thoughts go out to all the families.

My prayers to the friends, familys and loved ones of any there or that it has touched , it is a sad day for the world when something like this happens .. Its just pisses me off that the media is doing what there doing , and that the guy offed himself thats a much to easy way out , he should have been made to spend some time alone with the familys of those that lost there lives , Those victim impact statements stay with a person beyound anybody comprehension , and he deserved some serious beating for what he did and how he did it ..


Prayers to all .


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It is a tragedy of monumental proportions that is for damn sure. In Australia this fits in the "Only in America" category!

I hate to say it but the precious constitution has to change the part whereby every citizen has the right to bare arms! The constitution was written what, 200, 300 years ago? The reason this little piece was included was to protect citizens againsnt violent attacks from Natives!

In Australia in 1996 we had a nutcase lose his mind and shoot dead over 30 people just walking down the main road of a place called Port Arthur in Tasmania. Some were walking, some were dining in cafes or running everyday errons. Thos guy randomly shot and killed dozens of people. As a consequence we had a firearm amnesty in Australia and we tightened the laws to the extreme. No law abiding person owns a gun unless the are in a hunting club or in the amred services, police, security etc. Sure the criminals still get their guns from the black market but it has stopped Crazy John Citizen from picking up a gun at the local store and shooting whoever the fuck he likes.

It is time for the USA to step into the new millenium

I AGREE

AND I FOR ONE SUPPORT THIS

THIS HITS TO CLOSE TO HOME FOR ME


MY BEST FRIEND GRADUATED V-TECH IN 1990 AND MY DAUGHTERS IN COLLEGE IN TAMPA

THIS IS A PARENTS WORSE NIGHTMARE

AND WHATS EVEN WORSE....PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT THIS GUYS PROBLEMS AND THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM


THIS WAS A SENCE LESS THING AND SUCH A TRAGITY WHEN WE ARE IN WAR FIGHTING AGAINST TERRORISIM WERE KILLING OUR OWN PEOPLE WITH LAWS THAT DONT PROTECT US BUT IN-FACT HELP THE ONES WHO COMMET THE CRIMES.

I dont know what state Virginia Tech is in but I hear that city has next to no gun laws.

No background checks
No waiting periods
No registration needed on firearm purchases???

Someone can buy a gun anyday of the week?

I guess Virginia is one of the only states left with next to no gun laws.
You'd think we would have learned something by now

Amen to that

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I have owned about 25 guns for the last 20 yrs and i have yet to see any of them sprout feet and go shoot anything by themselves , its the nut behind them that causes the damage , just like the nut behind the wheel that drives drunk or reckless , or the parent that doesnt place his child in a child safety seat for there own safety .. I do agree that state needs to update there back ground checks and such but the fact is the kid didnt have a record so he still would have got a gun he just would have had to wait a few days ... This is a aurgument that will never be won . Its just very sad that we have these kind of people in our society .

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You Don't Know Me, and I Have a Gun!

You don't know me, or maybe you just don't know that you do. I am your neighbor, doctor, clergyman, nurse or just another nameless, faceless stranger in the crowd. I have a state authorized, court issued permit to carry a concealed handgun. I do so whenever possible.

Though you don't know me, there are a few things you should know about me.

In my case, I was fingerprinted by the local police for an FBI criminal background check. Before that, I had to pass state and local background checks. I had to present evidence to the court of approved training in firearms laws, safety and marksmanship before my application would even be accepted.

I am not a felon, junkie, drug dealer, stalker or even a shoplifter since any number of indiscretions including alcohol or other drug abuse or even simple assault or a restraining order would disqualify me from holding a permit.

My classroom training covered when it is appropriate and legal to even indicate that I have a gun, much less display it or actually use deadly force.

Doing so in any circumstance, under which I am not in immediate fear for my life or the life of another, would mean more than the loss of my permit. Most likely, I would also be charged with brandishing a weapon, disorderly conduct and/or assault.

If it was determined that my use of deadly force was not to protect a life in immediate danger, I would probably be charged with second-degree murder or first-degree manslaughter. On top of these, I would also face civil liability.

Like most people who legally carry concealed handguns, I practice regularly at a range. I am well aware of the laws and regulations affecting me. My fellow permit holders and I are generally more well trained and practiced than many law enforcement officers.

I am not a non-resident alien. I am a good citizen, and I vote.

I am aware of the responsibility I bear, and I will walk or run away rather than risk confrontation. I will retreat as fast and as far as possible. I always avoid conflict. I know that should a situation escalate, I could be identified as the instigator and face losing my right to carry, or worse.

Should the need arise, however, I will act swiftly, intelligently and decisively to protect my life and the lives of those around me

Are you still afraid of me?

In my home state of Virginia, not one permit holder has been convicted of a violent gun crime despite more than 110,000 issued permits. Throughout the entire United States, no police officer has been injured by a person with a legal handgun. A number have, however, been assisted and even rescued by armed, law abiding citizens.

You should feel a degree of comfort knowing that there may be someone nearby with means, motive and training to possibly save your life, or that of those around you.

Criminals, on the other hand, should feel fear. They never know if their next intended victim may armed, trained, and ready to effectively defend themselves.

If you feel safer patronizing establishments with a NO GUNS ALLOWED policy, please keep in mind that the criminals don't obey the signs or the laws. That is why we call them criminals.

Criminals know that the law-abiding customers of that establishment are easy prey, and will have little to no fear of the consequences of their actions. The hallways and parking lots of these establishments might just as well post a sign saying...



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ehhh I don't want to get into politics or anything, but I think it was kinda generalized and quick to assume that by talking about gun control we were saying that there shouldn't be guns at all.

I'm glad that they make things so strict for people to get guns... seems like the only way you'd go through with that is if you were legit. Do I think it stops everyone? No. Do I think it helps? Yes.

I think it's sad that people are going to use this to push their own political agendas on either side.

Ps:
"Guns dont kill people, people kill people"
What about those stories you hear about kids showing their parents guns to friends, or playing with it themselves and getting killed? ... Just curious

I DONT KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE FROM THE WEST COAST AND HEARD ABOUT THIS OR NOT

BUT ABOUT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO IN SPRINGFIELD OREGON AT THURSTON HIGH SCHOOL KIP KINKLE WENT ON A SHOOTING SPREE AT THE HIGHSCHOOL ON GRADUATION CELIBRATION DAY IN THE CAFETERIA HE SHOT AND KILLED 3 SENIORS 2 WEEKS BEFORE GRADUATION.


THE NIGHT BEFORE HE SHOT HIS PARENTS KILLED HIS PARENTS


KIP KINKLE WAS MY SPANISH TEACHERS SON

KIP WAS ALWAYS A BRAT AS I REMEMBER HIM...KIPS SISTER WAS A FRIEND OF MINE AND WE WERE IN THE SKI CLUB TOGETHER. I KNEW THE FAMILY WELL FOR MR KINKLE HELPED MY SKI ADVISOR WITH THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES FROM TIME TO TIME.


I WOULD HAVE NEVER SUSPECTED THAT KIP WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO DO SUCH A TERRIBLE THING

BUT I GUESS HE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH A GUN AND GOT CAUGHT THE DAY BEFORE THE SHOOTING AT THE SCHOOL, AND WAS KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL FOR IT.

HE WENT HOME AND I GUESS THE SCHOOL NEVER REACHED HIS PARENTS BECAUSE KIP WENT HOME "HIS DAD WAS RETIRED" THEY MUST HAVE GOT INTO A FIGHT AND KIP SHOT AND KILLED HIS DAD AND HE DIDNT WANT TO TELL HIS MOM ABOUT KILLING HIS DAD SO HE WAITED FOR HIS MOM TO GET HOME AND HE SHOT AND KILLED HER THEN THE NEXT DAY HE WENT TO THE SCHOOL AND DID THE SHOOTING THERE DID....THING IS HE DIDNT TURN THE GUN ON HIM "YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE".


ANYONE CAN SNAP I GUESS BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO A NORMAL KID WITH EDUCATED NORMAL PARENTS.

NOBODY HEARD THE SHOTS THE NIGHT BEFORE BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY LIVED IN THE COUNTRY, AND PRACTICALLY EVERYONE HAS A GUN WHOLIVES IN OREGON.

IT WAS SAD TO SEE MR GUTTORMSEN MY SKI ADVISOR AND TEACHER ON THE TV TALKING ABOUT MR KINKLE WHO WAS MY OTHER OUTDOOR ADVISOR AND SPANISH TEACHER AND TRYING TO MAKE SINCE OF THIS TERRIBLE THING, BUT THERE WAS NO WAY TO MAKE ANY SINCE OF THAT OR WITH THIS SHOOTING AT V-TECH OR COLUMBINE.

uggh.. that's the scary part.

MY SCHOOL WAS OPEN CAMPUS AND WAS THE SAFEST PLACE AND IT HAPPENED THERE

THE SCHOOLS TO NOT GO TO WERE EAST EUGENE AND SPRINGFIELD HIGH, NOT THURSTON HIGH SCHOOL.... IT WAS FULL OF COUNTRY KIDS

IT WAS A PERTY BIG SCHOOL WE GRADUATED 250 IN MY CLASS WHEN I GRADUATED BUT IT WAS A GREAT SCHOOL AND IF THIS CAN HAPPEN THERE AT THURSTON IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE

Yeah.. I went to High School at I believe the biggest High School in Colorado, we'd have some scares but things were always really safe. I guess you take that for granite

I'm in college and this all seems so far away I just can't ever see anything like that happening

GIRL I GRADUATED IN 1984 WHAT R U TALKING ABOUT A LONG TIME AGO YOUR IN COLLEGE NOW...LOL

IVE GOT A DAUGHTER IN COLLEGE!!!!!


AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTING AT MY OLD SCHOOL MY OLDEST DAUGHTER WAS A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL AND MY EX HUSBAND AND I KNEW BOTH TEACHERS AND BOTH GRADUATED THURSTON HIGH AND WE BOTH WERE SHOCKED IT HAPPENED THERE.

BUT LIKE I SAID IF IT CAN HAPEN THERE IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE

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Sad just isnt the word for this tragedy!!, They were scrabbling around trying to find out who shot the girl in the stair well thinking it was her boyfriend at his house searching....Meanwhile they get a call from the college saying someone is still shooting..

Im trying to understand why didnt they just search the campus..Wasting time wondering, 32 innocent ppl were killed in cold blood,They just need a better system so that no one will have to go through this again...

The guy was sick mentally and they knew he was yet they didnt have him removed from the school..they had records saying he was clinically depressed, he was stalking two other females and other things they had on him..Yet nothing was done...Its sad they had to wait until someone dies to check and do something about it.

In your case I can understand why you would own firearms, what with working on the land and I totaly understand where UncleBuck is coming from but WTF SkullZombie???

All I can ask is why do normal citizens need firearms? No one, and I repeat no one in Australia owns firearms like they do in the US and those that do for agricultural or hunting purposes must have them locked in a safe and no one, repeat no one can carry a handgun concealed or not anywhere!!!

Zombie says crazy people are crazy with or without guns but without a gun this crazy nut would not have been able to kill 33 people. Yes, he may arm himself with a knife or another weapon but killing 33 people with a gun is a lot easier than with a knife!

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Australia is probably the most free country in the world.

I have never fired a gun, let alone owned one. Having said that, I can walk down the street with freedom and in safety. I can say what I want where I want without fear of consequences. I can question my government without fear of persecution. To say I am not free, and Australians are a slave to England is very short sighted indeed.

I still fail to see how America will become a Nazi state if gun control is bought in? I mean at the end of the day I couldn't give a fuck. I live in a country where anyone can get an education without having the fear of being killed by a lunatic! If you guys want to keep killing yourselves go fucking nuts! I know that the lager majority would want to see their young live long and not die in senseless tragedies!

Once again the states portrays the image to the rest of the world that the value their right to own and carry a gun more than they value the lives of innocent young citizens

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What about the columbine massacre? The Amish kids that were killed? The countless other schoolyard massacres that have happened over the past decade?

All non Americans?

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I didnt ask you for the motive, I asked you whether they were American or not? It would seem you can't stick to your argument.

Lastly, it doesnt matter if it was racially motivated or what his motives were. Had it been for some slightly stricter gun laws he would not have been able to kill 33 people. End of story

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Firstly what has happened sucks and im truly sorry for anyone that has been affected by this tragedy.

secondly, im really suprised by Skulls views, using 9/11 as an argument for civilians having hand guns is just crazy, how did having a hand gun or not make any blind bit of difference? I can understand hunters and land owners etc, but a normal civilian has no need to have/carry a gun. This is just one of those things that by now is the norm for many people in the states but still just seems mental to people like myself as guns just arent a factor here, hell not even the majority of our police have them let alone anyone else.

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racist or not, they were still Americans. Also, I know there will always be guns out there but why not make them harder to obtain? This guy just went down to the local shop and paid a few hundred dollars and got his gun!

9/11 was an act of terrorism, not a rage of murder undertaken by a crazy man. I'd like to see him kill 33 ppl with a boxcutter.

Im sorry but you just fit the "crazy gun totting American" stereotype and I thank god you, and people like you, live thousands of miles away from me! Give me tight gun control anyday!





It's like pissing into the wind with these gun lobbyists. In all honesty I have given up, just wanted to get my point across. One of us sounds like a gun weilding maniac and one sounds like he is in search for a safer world. I'll let everyone out there make up their mind who is who.

I mean seriously, scroll through the dudes posts, he isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer and the US will trust HIM with a handgun

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I refer the jury to exhibit A

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I think Bondiguy & Skullzombie both made good points

its just pointless to even try to make any since of something that makes no sinceat all!!!

ya know what i mean?


but skulzombie

lets say everyone had guns or maybe just the teachers and say a student unarmed walked into a class to hide from the shooter and someone sht that person thinkng they were the shooter.....there more than likely would have been even more dead instead of the other way around it would have been like the shoot out at the ok coral or world war 3

theres no answer to this its just sad to even think why this happened

Why, what happened in Vermont? I've been around firearms for quite a few years being in the military. When I was a Marine, I wore a Colt .45 as a sidearm as part of my responsibilities. Because there was always alot of cash around, the Captain always wanted someone armed. Instead of assigning someone new every week, he asked me if I would just do it on a permanent basis. I agreed to. There were very few enlisted guys (except MPs) who wore a sidearm, so it was pretty unusual to be issued one. Anyway, my point is, that I always felt a little safer with that on my hip than I did when I wasn't wearing it. Anyone who sees a .45 pointing at them gets a real quick attitude adjustment. That handgun would go into you making a hole about the size of a dime and exit out your back with a hole about the size of a softball. It's got some stopping power. If anyone on that campus in Virginia had had a weapon, that crazy fuck might have been put out of his misery BEFORE he started his rampage. There are times when the use of deadly force is necessary, and if ever there was a right time, last week on that campus was it.