I'm getting a cold and just got kicked out of my god damn fucking bedroom so the fucking step-kids can watch TV. The one downstairs isn't hooked up. WTF??!!!!! :angry:

Sneeze on the buggers. That'll teach em.

I'll sneeze on my fucked-up husband first. He's the one that kicked me out!

I hear that... and go one better and say I HATE the telemarketers that call you at home and try and sell their shitty products or services, right at dinner time!

OK, I still lived at home (with mom & dad), was about 17 years old, and a telemarketer called. I listened to him, started giving him shit, flirting and he flirted back. Well, then I suddenly realized who the fuck he was!! Holy shit...! He was a good friend of mine but we had never talked on the phone before (small town...catch people in town) and when I told him that I knew who he was...he got all embarassed and hung up. LOL!!

Hehehehe that made me laugh :lol:

btw how can you be kicked out of your own bedroom? The cheek of it! Kids should be outside playing in the fresh air rather than watching tv anyway. ;)

RANT

Im really tired of watching the news or reading th paper and seeing were some mountain climber as gone out with a blizzard coming and climbed half way up the side of a mountian that they shouldnt be on anyway then there familys expect the world to stop and evryone go rescue them once there lost or trapped up there , its pretty simple if ya dont go ya dont have the chance of getting lost or worse yet dyeing , its my thought if you go , you go at your own risk and heaven help ya , its kinda like swimming with sharks , you get what ya ask for ...

In some ways I can agree with what you're saying but in some ways not.
If a person knowingly goes out when conditions are really bad or going to be really bad, they gotta kinda expect what they get. But I think a lot of these guys(and girls) are professionals who weigh the benefits against the risks and most aren't going to take unreasonable risk. Now you might think wandering up the side of a mountain IS unreasonable risk but to compound that with a blizzard is pretty foolhardy.
Sometimes these storm systems just whip up out of nowhere and are very unpredicatble. So does that means that people shouldn't try and conquer these things, whether it be a mountain or crossing Arctic ice sheets. I say Hell no! A lot of these people are very inspirational and passionate about what they do and I think it is really cool when you can just step back from your usual 9-5 or whatever life that most of us lead and do something really incredible.
Now if someone does this without properly preparing they are asking for trouble and I guess these types of people exist.
But other than that, I don't feel especially angry with having to rescue adveturers. I think most of us can remember a time when maybe we drove down that highway when the conditions weren't great to get some stuff we really didn't need from the store. I think if we hit the ditch we'd still expect someone to come help us out.
And many of these groups pay independent support teams to be ready to dispatch in case of any type of emergency.

well your right , I guess the thing that stands out , most of those places have already been climbed so there not first , and you know my thoughts on that , the other problem I left out is they solicit folks like myself to send funds to help defray there costs , that really pissing me off , cause there is nothing of importance that will come from climbing a mountian , I mean I wrote a check saturday to a family not 2 miles from me that lost there house to a fire and lost evrything , but for a person to solicit cash contributions to climb a mountian that has no meaning in life other then being able to say they did it , its just dumb in my book , and most people dont realize that they do go after that cash , but it is all part of it ... but your point is taken ..

It's probably pretty annoying to get solicited for money and all but you don't HAVE to give. People should at least be selling something or provide a company with advertising etc. in exchange for a contribution.

My rant is people who don't have adequate fire insuanrce on their properties :P

oh there all non for profit groups so its tax deductable of course , i dont give and never have but that doesnt stop them from asking

well most do but it takes several days for the insurance to kick in and some lose it all they need funds to get by specially with kids involved and this family had 4 lol

Please, why would they have kids, it's already been done ;)

but not by them !!!!!

same with the mountain B)

however they didnt ask for there house to burn .. or a better word be Choose for it to burn , the mountain climbers made the choice that was there luxary

It all depends how you look at it.
They didn't choose to be snowed on, nature happened.
Nascar drivers get in wrecks all the time. Why drive around the track, it's been done. It's just what they "do".
You could go for a Sunday drive in your pickup truck and roll it. Of course you didn't choose it, but it was you "luxury" as you call it.
If the mountain climber doesn't properly prepare as far as suppiles and hasn't done everything they can to gain the necessary experience or fails to acknoledge obvious meteorlogical info then, yeah, it's their stupid choices. But if they do all the preparations they can do and still run into trouble, it's hard to find fault with them.

I disagree , there is money to be gained by winning the race , thats what makes the world go around , climbing that moutain gains nothing but pride and thats not a thing that can be measured in my book anyway , and your right its there chioce but dont ask the world to support that choice , and ask for the luxury of having the national guard along with a few other trained climbers trying to save there asses before they get buried .. the fact is really that snow happens in high elevation almost on a daily basis so whats the reward to outweigh the risk ..

Why is the clock not right on here?? :unsure:

never has been

Where do you think that money comes from? From corporate sponsors.
Many adventurers make money from their excursions, maybe not millions but some do pretty well through, yes, corporate sponsors. The only reason Nascar isn't beating down your door is cuz you don't have the money for the kind of advertising they are selling.
I think we have to define out terms here though. I'm speaking of well trained individuals. Not Joe Sixpack trying to climb a peak with no supplies or training.
Of course there is reward to outweigh risk. I'm sure that only a small percentage of climbers routinely need to be rescued out. There are thousands of climbers and you only hear about a handful of large scale rescue operations. It's simple math.

As in out by minutes...or hours?

well hate to burst your bubble but we do have a sticker on a busch serious car , and it costs$$$ thats why I get the solicitation for the climbers the fact is the only climbers you hear or read about have to be rescued , thats the problem ... so what is gained by there accomplishment .

An hour


I hate that
:bang:

depends if your gaining or losing an hour

I would be losing & I cant afford too lose anytime :P









I should be cleaning or something :ph34r:

Well it's all about the circles you travel in.
Very few things travel to all facets of society.
If you told me who won the latest nascar race I'd have no idea who that is even though it is wildly popular in many places. Conversely, if I was tlaking about Fedor Emelianenko's last fight, most people would look at me like I was speaking Greek. In the climbing and outdoor enthusiast circles there are probably a lot of hardcore followers that know lots of famous climbers, and names like North Face can benefit from such exposure, even though it may not be as "mainstream" as some other pursuits.
But I think we're getting off topic here(surprise!).

click on My Controls, then under Options click Board Settings....you can change it to whatever you need.

this discussion was interesting on both sides, but now it's getting silly. It's frustrating trying to have an intelligent discussion with someone who refuses to see things objectively or at the very least acknowledge your side of an issue. It can turn a discussion of two differing opinions into an argument for no good reason.

At least my rant is simple

Well I have to busy myself with SOMETHING at work.