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[rackman]

I don't see how majority rule is at risk when the majority of people don't go to church, don't believe in religion or go for social status more then anything else. Corruption of government and people high in power is what puts it at risk. I know you probably don't know this but the U.N. is trying to kick all religious groups i.e. the Vatican out of their meetings and agendas because the whole world is well aware of how hypocritical and corrupt religions reputation has been. The world is changing. Look at how many old grannies do sexy ads and are MTV videos. Don't worry it will come it will come.

I'm getting a bit off-topic with this post, but I think you're missing something important here -- the true nature of "majority rule".

Thinking in terms of "majority rule" will lead to an erosion of your individual rights every time. Under "majority rule", you don't have a guaranteed set of individual rights; you have a changing set of rules that is subject to the whim of 50.1% of whoever shows up to vote.

Also, I would argue that "corruption of government" has moved us closer to -- not further from -- majority rule. On the whole, the majority of politicians haven chosen to disregard individual rights in favor of protecting (imaginary) group rights. In other words, politicians would rather do what's popular (majority rule) than do what's right. It's all about getting votes, not upholding the Constitution.

Instead of thinking about "majority rule", focus on "inalienable rights".


To be clear, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything like that. I'm just presenting my own viewpoint and hopefully providing some food for thought.

Regards.

[Lynette]

I have been to plenty of different nude beaches, so let me clarify a few things:

1. True nudists think of a nude beach as no more sexual than a beach that requires swimsuits.  For that reason, nudists do not feel like they are exposing their children to either sexual attention or pedophiles on nude beaches.  And in the vast majority of cases, they are correct.  There is very little overt sexual activity on nude beaches, and anyone who acted suspicious around little children would be very quickly overwhelmed and cordoned off/kicked off by the nudist beach regulars.

2. There are not a lot of children on nude beaches anyway.  The reason usually is that there are actually VERY FEW nude beaches in the United States.  So, it takes a lot of logistical planning to get to a nude beach in the first place.  They are usually off the beaten path, and require an extra mile's walk down from the "regular" beach.  Too much trouble to take kids with you when it is a physical pain to get to the nude beach yourself.

3. Nude beaches in the U.S. are an infinitessimal fraction of the number of total beaches.  I would guess the percentage is like .01%.  Not 1%, mind you but 1/100th of that.  So, the idea of a parent being forced to subject their children to nude people on the beach is "hypothetical".  The odds of it happening are a statistical impossibility.

4. In Europe there is much more nudity/toplessness on the beaches.  Examples are Denmark, Germany, and Croatia.  However, the attitude toward nudity in general in these countries is much more blase than here.  It's not considered shocking or titillating there, as opposed to here.  As I stated earlier, this is the country that was founded by the strictest denominations of Christian churches in western Europe.

5. The U.S. is still much more liberal on this issue than Muslim countries, such as Iran, Egypt, many parts of Indonesia, etc.  In those countries, you have segregated beaches - men and women not even allowed to mix.  And when women do go to the beach, it is not in a swimsuit, but a veil, and head-to-toe clothing.  So, things could be a hell of a lot worse.

Hmmm. I think I agree with most of what you're trying to say, all though we're not talking about those "isolated" NUDE beaches here. "Public" beaches and just being topless is more what we're about on here. While I have been on several nude beaches myself, and have never had a problem with it... "Top-free" public beaches are an entirely different kind of thing.
As for your comparison to some middle east regions... well, I'm 100% sure that if you were to let the religious right have their way for the next 50 to 80 years, America wouldn't be much different than countries like Iraq morally. Religious fundamentalists are religious fundamentalists regardless of what religion or nationality they represtent. They are people who (for whatever personal reason) have chosen to dedicate their entire time on this planet to the persuit of "SAVING" the world in the name of God. In my personal opinion, they're just plain dangerous when they try to institue influence in politics.

[Isaac_Putin]

     Hmmm. I think I agree with most of what you're trying to say, all though we're not talking about those "isolated" NUDE beaches here. "Public" beaches and just being topless is more what we're about on here. While I have been on several nude beaches myself, and have never had a problem with it... "Top-free" public  beaches  are an entirely different kind of thing.
     As for your comparison to some middle east regions... well, I'm 100% sure that if you were to let the religious right have their way for the next 50 to 80 years, America wouldn't be much different than countries like Iraq morally. Religious fundamentalists are religious fundamentalists regardless of what religion or nationality they represtent. They are people who (for whatever personal reason) have chosen to dedicate their entire time on this planet to the persuit of "SAVING" the world in the name of God. In my personal opinion, they're just plain dangerous when they try to institue influence in politics.

Lynette,

1. In the U.S. there is no distinction -- almost all "topless" beaches are also nude beaches. With the exception of South Beach in Miami, and some areas in California. Feel free to correct me if you know of others. Therefore, I believe my analogy is appropriate when I describe "public" and "isolated", which can be the same thing. An isolated beach is one that takes a while to get to and is less crowded. But it can still be a public beach.

2. I also brought this up because Diane mentioned people with kids being offended by the the sight of body parts they wouldn't normally see. It seemed to me she was referencing people with NO swimsuit, not just topless.

3. One area that seems to have gotten past this is Canada. Because of the hard work of top-free equality activists (people who think women should be able to go without shirts in public if men can), women in certain areas of Canada can appear almost anywhere in Canada, not just the beach, topless. Good for them.

[UncleBuck]

Lynette,

1. In the U.S. there is no distinction -- almost all "topless" beaches are also nude beaches.  With the exception of South Beach in Miami, and some areas in California.  Feel free to correct me if you know of others.  Therefore, I believe my analogy is appropriate when I describe "public" and "isolated", which can be the same thing.  An isolated beach is one that takes a while to get to and is less crowded.  But it can still be a public beach.

2. I also brought this up because Diane mentioned people with kids being offended by the the sight of body parts they wouldn't normally see.  It seemed to me she was referencing people with NO swimsuit, not just topless.

3. One area that seems to have gotten past this is Canada.  Because of the hard work of top-free equality activists (people who think women should be able to go without shirts in public if men can), women in certain areas of Canada can appear almost anywhere in Canada, not just the beach, topless.  Good for them.

eh! its not actually legal up here just isn't made out to be a big deal I think we are more open minded or just don't worry so much about the little things

Are these people bad






Just to put a spin on this... .. don't allow topless beach's where to a certain degree things are controlled but allow and/or not be able to prevent children acess to porn on the internet to check out boobies on a site such as this( or God forbid another site where a donkey might be involved in/or something like that)
I think in the big picture topless beaches are the least of our worries, but remember we are talking topless beach's, full nudity I feel should be private.

just MY thoughts

[diane26]

Who said people on a topless beach are Bad uncle Buck??? I surely never said that.

Issac, I my posts were my thoughts on it IF it were to become allowed on beaches in the us.

Yes I was talking about full nudity as well. But even topless I would still very much strongly oppose children that have entered the pre puberity and puberity stage until they are of legal age.


I don't care what majority of people are there for and it isnt really fair to compare other countries that have ALWAYS had it this way.

There are A LOT of sick pdeophiles in America. You can go to a site input your adress and see well over 20 registered sex offenders within a few blocks of your home. It is sickening.

We are not a country that has always been raised like this and we are a country with a massive amount of Sexual Predators so to just up and allow something like this and allow those kids in that awkward age I think is asking for a disaster.

I have no problem with things for adults. More power to you. But I think it is WRONG to expose your daughters at lets say 9-17 to such a place.


As far as what kids can access on the net that is why it is a parents job to watch there kids, I watch what mine are allowed to view on the net they don't have free access.

But if the US were to make EVERY beach the option of being nudity or topless than you are taking away my right to choose how to parent my child. If it were to become legal which I don't think it ever would for the simple fact I don;t think a good deal of americans can handle such the freedom ((My opinion)) but if it were to become legal I would hope that they make it like 2 out of every 5 beaches or something so we had the freedom to choose which one we were comfortable taking our kids to.

[diane26]

eh! its not actually legal up here just isn't made out to be a big deal I think we are more open minded or just don't worry so much about the little things

Are these people bad




Just to put a spin on this...   .. don't allow topless beach's where to a certain degree things are controlled but allow and/or not be able to prevent children acess to porn on the internet to check out boobies on a site such as this( or God forbid another site where a donkey might be involved in/or something like that)
I think in the big picture topless beaches are the least of our worries, but remember we are talking topless beach's, full nudity I feel should be private.

just MY thoughts

As for the pics, Ironically it is nothing sexually yet someone felt the need to take topless pics of woman sunbathing on the beach. So woman cant even go out topless and enjoy a day at the beach because you never know what perv is taking your pics of your breasts without your permission.

[Isaac_Putin]

Who said people on a topless beach are Bad uncle Buck??? I surely never said that.

Issac, I my posts were my thoughts on it IF it were to become allowed on beaches in the us.

Yes I was talking about full nudity as well. But even topless I would still very much strongly oppose  children that have entered the pre puberity and puberity stage until they are of legal age.
I don't care what majority of people are there for and it isnt really fair to compare other countries that have ALWAYS had it this way.

There are A LOT of sick pdeophiles in America. You can go to a site input your adress and see well over 20 registered sex offenders within a few blocks of your home. It is sickening.

We are not a country that has always been raised like this and we are a country with a massive amount of Sexual Predators so to just up and allow something like this and allow those kids in that awkward age I think is asking for a disaster.

I have no problem with things for adults. More power to you. But I think it is WRONG to expose your daughters at lets say 9-17 to such a place.
As far as what kids can access on the net that is why it is a parents job to watch there kids, I watch what mine are allowed to view on the net they don't have free access.

But if the US were to make EVERY beach the option of being nudity or topless than you are taking away my right to choose how to parent my child. If it were to become legal which I don't think it ever would for the simple fact I don;t think a good deal of americans can handle such the freedom ((My opinion)) but if it were to become legal I would hope that they make it like 2 out of every 5 beaches or something so we had the freedom to choose which one we were comfortable taking our kids to.

Diane, the hypothetical situation that you talked about, where most beaches were topless or clothing-optional is so unlikely I don't even think it is worth addressing as a hypothetical. The few beaches that exist now are under constant attack. Either from developers or the self righteous. In another 10 years, you may not have the optional of visiting a clothing optional beach within the United States at all. That's why the scenario you are talking about makes my head spin.

As for children ages 9-17 on these beaches, it's almost as unlikely a hypothetical. That is an age where children are MUCH more self conscious about their bodies and would not (in America at least) be on that type of beach. And nudists never force this stuff on their kids. However, the right wingers who try to close these beaches love to ban children from them. Not necessarily to protect the children, but so that they can classify the beach as an adult "den of iniquity" and close down the clothing-optional status of the beach under that local statute. So, nudists have it in their interests to preserve the beaches as something available for all ages, even if they would not themselves make use of it for their children.

Also, don't fool yourself about the number of predators here vs. other countries. Every week has a report of a multinational ring of predators being broken up. We don't have any more of them than any other country.

[Isaac_Putin]

As for the pics, Ironically it is nothing sexually yet someone felt the need to take topless pics of woman sunbathing  on the beach. So woman cant even go out topless and enjoy a day at the beach because you never know what perv is taking your pics of your breasts without your permission.

Diane, while people do take pics of women on beaches without their permission, this is considered extremely rude on c/o beaches.

However, if you are on a beach of that type it is the risk you take. I have actually inadvertently ended up with pics of other people on my camera when I was taking a photo of my wife. It wasn't intended but I can't orchestrate the layout of the entire beach to take a couple of photos.

[Lynette]

Guys, guys, guys... All of a suden we're talking about child molesters, sexual perditors, etc. Geeze! We're talking about grown women on the beach without a bathing suit top on NOT children. Although, I can even remember how many times I've seen small chilren being allowed to frolic on a beach without any suit on. It's totally innocent and the beach should never be considered as a haven for child molesters. Generally the parents are right there to supervise. I fail to see how the subject of anything sexual should even have a place in this discussion. If the government were to make "TOPLESS" sunbathing legal (not nude sunbathing) I'm sure it wouls be a shock and cause some disturbance at first. But, after a short period of time, it wouldn't be anymore objectionalbe than othr parts of the world. Canada has been brought up as an example... it's a good place to start. I've heard about women being top-free there at will in various location. NOTHING bad happens because of it. They're just boobs, that's all. And, that's all they'd be on any beach in the states. I'm on beaches here all the time topless infront of visiting teenage tourist boys, and I doubt that the sight of my bare tits on the beach are going to (or have) caused any of them to come down with any type of negative, sexual, or emotional problems. They pass by and look shyly. That's about it. Some sneak a quick snapshot with their camera (but so do their dads LOL) No harm, no foul. To them it's a unique sight. THAT'S the key! A "unique" sight. If it were made commonplace in America... it wouldn't be unique at all. It would be (dare I say it?)--- NORMAL. To equate boobs on a beach with all kinds of sexual pervertions is just wrond (in my humble opinion).

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[juicyboobs]

I have avoided saying anything so as not to offend, but topless beaches in europe are NOT a sexual arena!

It is just a personal choice, families, singles couples most beaches pool are a mix of all, this is just how it is. And sorry guys to be truthfull more about tan lines than turning you on.

your body is a natural thing and i am not meaning nude beaches, but its only showing skin. Truly i believe a guy would be as turned on by a fit bikini body or a topless bikini body and in any case there is a code of conduct... sunglasses for leering i think.

not disagreeing with any opinions just stating that its more commonplace and run of the mill in european resorts.

[natalie]

I'm getting a bit off-topic with this post, but I think you're missing something important here --  the true nature of "majority rule". 

Thinking in terms of "majority rule" will lead to an erosion of your individual rights every time.  Under "majority rule", you don't have a guaranteed set of individual rights; you have a changing set of rules that is subject to the whim of 50.1% of whoever shows up to vote.

Also, I would argue that "corruption of government" has moved us closer to -- not further from -- majority rule.  On the whole, the majority of politicians haven chosen to disregard individual rights in favor of protecting (imaginary) group rights.  In other words, politicians would rather do what's popular (majority rule) than do what's right.  It's all about getting votes, not upholding the Constitution.

Instead of thinking about "majority rule", focus on "inalienable rights". 
To be clear, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything like that.  I'm just presenting my own viewpoint and hopefully providing some food for thought.

Regards.

lol. I guess I should have stayed away from that topic as politics is not my strong point. I guess i just meant I didn't feel like the government was out to get me or choke my freedoms in anyway but I do live in Canada and have no interest in nude/topless beaches or nudity in general becoming common place. Not that I have anything against it I'm just neither for nor against. I will keep my nose and voice out of everything political from now on.

[diane26]

Diane, while people do take pics of women on beaches without their permission, this is considered extremely rude on c/o beaches. 

However, if you are on a beach of that type it is the risk you take.  I have actually inadvertently ended up with pics of other people on my camera when I was taking a photo of my wife.  It wasn't intended but I can't orchestrate the layout of the entire beach to take a couple of photos.

issac I understand that the pics taken were obviously for a reason by judging the main jist of the photo. I also understand its a risk you take like posting on this site as well, I was just saying that if it were true that it has nothing to do with a sexual nature than the pics wouldnt be taken not every person there is there for the right reasons.


I am also not ever worried of it happening in the states I wouldnt oppose it in the conditions I said but I dont see it ever happened.

Times are changing you will find many 13 and up girls that are blossoming early and under the wrong parental guidance being quite happy showing off there body.


As far as the sexual predators I know they are everywhere but I would take a wild guess that the ratio is greater here Per the amount of people.

[diane26]

Guys, guys, guys... All of a suden we're talking about child molesters, sexual perditors, etc. Geeze! We're talking about grown women on the beach without a bathing suit top on NOT children. Although, I can even remember how many times I've seen small chilren being allowed to frolic on a beach without any suit on. It's totally innocent and the beach should never be considered as a haven for child molesters. Generally the parents are right there to supervise. I fail to see how the subject of anything sexual should even have a place in this discussion. If the government were to make "TOPLESS" sunbathing legal (not nude sunbathing) I'm sure it wouls be a shock and cause some disturbance at first. But, after a short period of time, it wouldn't be anymore objectionalbe than othr parts of the world. Canada has been brought up as an example... it's a good place to start. I've heard about women being top-free there at will in various location. NOTHING bad happens because of it. They're just boobs, that's all. And, that's all they'd be on any beach in the states. I'm on beaches here all the time topless infront of visiting teenage tourist boys, and I doubt that the sight of my bare tits on the beach are going to (or have) caused any of them to come down with any type of negative, sexual, or emotional problems. They pass by and look shyly. That's about it. Some sneak a quick snapshot with their camera (but so do their dads LOL) No harm, no foul. To them it's a unique sight. THAT'S the key! A "unique" sight. If it were made commonplace in America... it wouldn't be unique at all. It would be (dare I say it?)--- NORMAL. To equate boobs on a beach with all kinds of sexual pervertions is just wrond (in my humble opinion).

Lynette with all due respect when wanting a discussion on the topic at hand be prepared for all types of discussion on it.

You do not know what is on the mind of every person at the beach, you also seem to love attention so your views on things going on might be differant than someone else simply wanting to tan without tan lines. The discussion was brought up about the beaches nothing was said about ONLY WOMAN so of course as a mother I am gonna worry about children.

As a child that was molested by three differant men by the time I was 11 and my ((non existent)) breasts were also fondled. I tend to be very aware of how sick people can be especially those you would least suspect. There are differant stages of children and what may be innocent and what might not be so innocent for others around. The great part of a discussion is to see the many views on a subject regardless if we agree or not.

[diane26]

I have avoided  saying anything so as not to offend, but topless beaches in europe are NOT a sexual arena!

It is just a personal choice, families, singles couples most beaches pool are a mix of all, this is just how it is. And sorry guys to be truthfull more about tan lines than turning you on.

your body is a natural thing and i am not meaning nude beaches, but its only showing  skin. Truly i believe a guy would be as turned on by a fit bikini body or a topless bikini body and in any case  there is a code of conduct... sunglasses for leering i think. 

not disagreeing with any opinions just stating that its more commonplace and run of the mill in european resorts.

Juicy I would tend to think that things are differant in other places where it has never been an issue.

It may not be a sexual arena (( I wouldnt even say arena for here in the states )) but anyway it is the norm there and has been for a long time so I doubt there is all the hype. But if one day it were to be allowed everywherre here I would bet the results would not be so innocent. Our people here have never had such. Not even on TV unless you are paying extra for the access.

[mountainlust]

Are there any topless beaches in England?

[Isaac_Putin]

Are there any topless beaches in England?    

I thought Brighton Beach in England was supposed to be topless or nude.

[rackman]

No worries, Natalie! Although I responded to your post, Lynette said the exact same thing: "Majority rule in the states is completely at risk now..."

I'm just trying to get people to realize that "majority rule" is very seldom good for individuals.

[Lynette]

Lynette with all due respect when wanting a discussion on the topic at hand be prepared for all types of discussion on it.

You do not know what is on the mind of every person at the beach, you also seem to love attention so your views on things going on might be differant than someone else simply wanting to tan without tan lines. The discussion was brought up about the beaches nothing was said about ONLY WOMAN so of course as a mother I am gonna worry about children.

As  a child that was molested by three differant men by the time I was 11 and my ((non existent)) breasts were also fondled. I tend to be very aware of how sick people can be especially those you would least suspect. There are differant stages of children  and what may be innocent and what might not be so innocent for others around. The great part of a discussion is to see the many views on a subject regardless if we agree or not.

Diane,
I am truly sorry to hear about your experiences as a young girl. That kind if thing can never be justified. From the sound of it, you've never been topless on a beach. However, I was talking about what people's notion of what effect seeing naked boobs on the beach might have on children. It's been my experience that children on the beach don't even notice a topless woman (they're usually too busy playing). And when they do, and call thier mother's attention to it, and she says something like "yes, there is isn't there" things go on as normal. It's only a big deal if the adults make it one. I guess I fail to see how women being topless on a beach directly puts children (of any age) in harms-way. This seems to just perpetuate some wierd kind of thought process that ties SEX into everything in modern society.
And, you are right. I certainly do like attention now and then. I'll admit it, even if some women won't. And, I DO prefer to not have tan lines, and always have (call it a cultural thing). But, like I said before on this thread... I was raised in a part of the world where being topless on the beach is a perfectly natural thing, where people generally don't even give it a second look. I'm just trying to get opinions here to clarify why people believe that being topless on the beach is such a bad thing. So far it sounds like America is totally infested with bad people, child molesters, pererts of all kinds, and deviant behaior. Sorry, but I lived in Los Angeles for quite a few years and I don't agree. America is a great place (with it's problems, it's true), but to a person from another country reading this thread, the United States would sound like a very unpleasent place to live.
Please try to keep in mind that anything said in this this (or any other) thread is just my own personal opinion. I'm not trying to preach to anyone, nor am I attempting to push my beliefs off on other people. So, "with all due respect", I'm just trying to get peoples opinions on this subject so that I can better understand what Americans are so uptight about this subject. And, judging by some of the responces here, there are some genuine and obvious personal feelings about it.

[diane26]

My main concern towards children on said beaches were of the young girls being topless not so much the kids seeing topless woman. I have three sons and I have had them in the shower with me many times I have no problem being nude around them in a cleanly sense?? Like showering changing allthough as they get older I try to be a bit more modest I am sure my son at now almost 10 wants the images of his naked mom in his head so as each one gets older I like to not be so free around them as much for there sake but my youngest who is 4 I still will shower with so I can wash him properly and we can get ready faster, Bleck way off track here but my worries are more the other way around.

I do not think Americans are all these bad people and this and that but we do have a lot of sickos we are a very populated country and comparred to other FREE countries we have a lot of "bad guys". Again when raised a certain way it is differant than all of a sudden throwing it out there, but even so if it were adult beaches I myself would have no problems with it whats so ever.

I am far from an uptight person and yes there are many uptight people here but as someone violated by these pedophiles I will always be on the defense for the children. It's nice to think these kind of people arent in our back yards and stuff but the truth is they are.

[UncleBuck]

My main concern towards children on said beaches were of the young girls being topless not so much the kids seeing topless woman. I have three sons and I have had them in the shower with me many times I have no problem being nude around them in a cleanly sense?? Like showering changing allthough as they get older I try to be a bit more modest I am sure my son at now almost 10 wants the images of his naked mom in his head so as each one gets older I like to not be so free around them as much for there sake but my youngest who is 4 I still will shower with so I can wash him properly and we can get ready faster, Bleck way off track here but my worries are more the other way around.

     I do not think Americans are all these bad people and this and that but we do have a lot of sickos we are a very populated country and comparred to other FREE countries we have a lot of "bad guys". Again when raised a certain way it is differant than all of a sudden throwing it out there, but even so if it were adult beaches I myself would have no problems with it whats so ever.

I am far from an uptight person and yes there are many uptight people here but as someone violated by these pedophiles I will always be on the defense for the children. It's nice to think these kind of people arent in our back yards and stuff but the truth is they are.

d26... love ya to death but how many 10 year old boys do u think log onto rmm and check out the beautiful boobs here?
seeing naked boobs on a public beach is not a huge issue if you do not make a big deal out of it to your children it would never become one.. I have a 14 year son who has been (dare I say) exposed to nude beach's since he was 6 and believe me it never ever caused any concerns, he was told that is just the way some people are and that it is not polite to stare He has never said a thing about it I am sure he enjoys the scenery as much as any red blooded boy would

I would be way more concerned with other influences than nude beach's in our society

[diane26]

d26... love ya to death but how many 10 year old boys do u think log onto rmm and check out the beautiful boobs here?
seeing naked boobs on a public beach is not a huge issue if you do not make a big deal out of it to your children it would never become one.. I have a 14 year son who has been (dare I say) exposed to nude beach's  since he was 6 and believe me it never ever caused any concerns, he was told that is just the way some people are and that it is not polite to stare    He has never said a thing about it I am sure he enjoys the scenery as much as any red blooded boy would

I would be way more concerned with other influences than nude beach's in our society

Buck,

I just went on and on to say my concerns were not so much the kids seeing topless woman but if girls were also topless?? Like if it wasnt for adults and there are young girls running around topless.

[UncleBuck]

Buck,

I just went on and on to say my concerns were not so much the kids seeing topless woman but if girls were also topless?? Like if it wasnt for adults and there are young girls running around topless.

Point taken
I also have a 10 year old daughter which I know I not tolerate guys are oggling her. I think children should be age of majority before they think of going toppless and personaly I have never seen adolesant girls topless , just doesnt seem to be done and which I feel is not proper or responsible of the childs parents

[diane26]

Point taken
I also have a 10 year old daughter which I know  I not tolerate guys are oggling her. I think children should be age of majority before they think of going toppless and personaly I have never seen adolesant girls topless , just doesnt seem to be done and which I feel is not proper or responsible of the childs parents

DING DING DING GIVE THE MAN A PRIZE J/K

Buck this is exactly what I was saying. I also know of a lot of teen girls that want to think they are older and act so and flaunt and a lot is the age but you also have those men that feel justified to take something they shouldnt in these situations. Whole other topic anyway.

[UncleBuck]

DING DING DING GIVE THE MAN A PRIZE J/K

Buck this is exactly what I was saying. I also know of a lot of teen girls that want to think they are older and act so and flaunt and a lot is the age but you also have those men that feel justified to take something they shouldnt in these situations. Whole other topic  anyway.

Like I said love ya to death d26..but (not again) I support the right of a "woman" to choose if she wants to to go topless

[diane26]

Like I said  love ya to death d26..but (not again) I support the right of a "woman" to choose if she wants to to go topless

Key word WOMAN.

I also support the right to choose what I allow my kids to see and what I don't

[juicyboobs]

I thought Brighton Beach in England was supposed to be topless or nude.

the point i am trying to make is that topless or not topless the beach is the same, in uk only full nudist beaches are different. I have sunbathed topless since i was 11-12 years old and never had a weird experince. It is a natural thing in europe.
I have to say fully dressed in an arcade in miami- collins ave at 12 a guy tried to take my sister and i home aged 12 and 9, nudity is not the really the issue, if someone is sick they are sick.

different things for different people .

[Lynette]

the point i am trying to make is that topless or not topless the beach is the same, in uk only full nudist beaches are different. I have sunbathed topless since i was 11-12 years old and never had a weird experince. It is a natural thing in europe.
I have to say fully dressed in an arcade in miami- collins ave at 12 a guy tried to take my sister and i home  aged 12 and 9, nudity is not the really the issue, if  someone is sick they are sick.

different things for different people .

[B][COLOR=purple]Ditto! What I said. There deffinitely IS a difference between topless and nude beaches too.

[rackman]

Lynette,

Have you ever just tried to do some topless sunbathing at a beach in the US?

I'm assuming that it would be technically against some law or another, but I'm wondering if its enforcement is lax, etc. Anyway, do you have any experiences with that sort of thing? What about people you know?

(I haven't read the entire thread here that carefully, so apologies in advance if this covers old ground).

[Lynette]

When I first arived in the states I DID. But I wasn't aware of the laws and picked a public beach in Santa Monica to sunbath. Needless-to-say, I was immediately notified by several women that it was not acceptable. You can be arrested or ticketed, or both. Andm yes, the laws even at "nude" beaches are enforced on a regular basis. You take your chances of acquiring a criminal record if you are one of the unlucky ones caught.

[rackman]

    ....I was immediately notified by several women that it was not acceptable....

Did they "notify" you in a friendly way? Did they assume you were a foreigner and didn't know better?

On the whole, I have to agree with you that these laws seem pretty silly. What or whom will it harm to have your breasts showing at the beach?

I've lived a while in Europe, so I'm familiar with the norms at beaches over there. I can't explain why the norms are different over there. However, I think that attributing the differences to our "Puritan heritage" is flimsy. Those deeply religious people were only a tiny fraction of those who settled this country, and it was 300 years ago! Too much has changed, and I would think that the millions of immigrants that followed them would have swamped out the whatever cultural influence the Puritans might have had.

Moreover, the vast majority of Americans are ex-Europeans. For this reason, Americans don't truly have a cultural origin separate from Europe.

Personally, I think the difference in attitude toward topless sunbathing had to occur within relatively recent history -- maybe somewhere in the mid 20th century. First of all, up to the 1910s or so, women's clothing in America and Western Europe was still from head to toe. Even men wore pajama-like bathing suits and had full body coverage. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't imagine women going to the beach in a bikini (let alone topless) before or during the Edwardian time period.

Similarly, it was not desirable back then to be tan. Women were proud of their lily white skin and took great precautions to protect themselves. As this attitude changed, so did bathing suits. For this reason, I have to assume that the first topless sunbathing had to occur somewhere during this transitional period. Maybe the 1940s at earliest, and I'd guess it would have become most popular during the countercultural movements of the late 1960s - 1970s.

At any rate, 2006 is just too far past the Puritans for me to buy into that theory.