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Alright, you don't have to include names...

but what is the worst/weirdest PM you have ever received on here? i'm guessing most of them come from guys that aren't around the forums... i'm just curious to hear how fucked up/sad some people can be... :lol:

one was accused of  involuntary manslaughter ,  wrongly  for sure as he  had air tight alibi , however the DA  was up for election  , he  had some pretty shaky testimony from some less then desirable  witnesses , he felt it was a open and shut case , the judge felt it was a open and shut case , the sherriff felt it was open  and shut ,,   as you say it was up to the courts to decide   dont ever think  that money and politics dont play a part in things ,  they shouldnt  but they do ,  my family  hired my nephew a attorney that cost  $ 25,000. just  for a retainer , he set up a ppointment with the DA   and in  a matter of  minutes  they were offered a plea bargin to a much lesser charge  ,,  what does that mean you ask ?  the case wasnt  nearly as open and shut as they  felt ,  but in the papers , in the court house, on the streets , evrywere you went   he had already been tried  and  found gulity , in a nut shell  they went to trial  he was  aquitted of all charges  , now it doesnt  work that way evrerywere but  there are some not guilty people serving  time , if we had let him use a court ordered attorney  he would have been in jail for probably no less then 10 yrs for a crime he didnt  commit  ...  But as I said  before the american way is  to believe the law , the DA,  have all the fact to find a person guilty before they arrest  him ,therfore the person is guilty . they go to the media with tidbits , so in the publics eye there guilty ,  I have served on jury duty  2  different times  and both times the guy's were guilty  without question  , however it took days to sit a jury cause to many of us  had already  made up our minds  that they were guilty and after  4 days of people sitting waiting to be picked some would just lie  so they could get on the jury , now in Chicago  thats probably not a problem  cause the population is  so large  and alot of people dont  pay attention to the news but in  smaller communities  I mean my county has 8000 registered voters  we all know everybody  and we see and read  all the news in the county papers  ... it matters alot  on the  people ...  SPend some time in the Cook county  court house  id bet  there are some of the same  issues I spoke of  ..maybe not  ..    A large case load here is DUI  and the fact is  there is a  attorney that charges  15000 to  represent  ya , he has never lost  , and in evry case the sherrif and DA have taken and impounded there cars with the intent to sell them as seized cars  , again they assume the  case is open and shut  and once this lawyer walks in  things change .. Im not trying to aurgue here Bob its just my experience that  tells me its the american way  to think a person  is guilty until he proves his innocents ..

Two things:

first of all, my comment doesn't apply to traffic court, because I think that is the biggest exploitation of the court system as we know it and totally believe that money, politics, and time play a big role in the bullshit that happens there.

Secondly, you said your nephew pled to a lesser charge, but then also that he was acquited. Did they decide to go to trial after all? usually when you plea bargain, you have to plead guilty. Also, involuntary manslaughter is usually associated with killing someone by accident when you may or may not have been doing something you shouldn't have been... oftentimes it is related to a driving infraction. Was that the case with your nephew? Just curious.

I see your point about the American way being to think a person is guilty before proven innocent as you say in your last comment... but I still don't think that's the case. it think the American PEOPLE are manipulated by the media into believing what they want you to believe... in all things, not just trials. Look at the OJ trial. that was a media frenzy. the whole world believed he was guilty before the trial even began. there were tons of things "leaked" by the press that wasn't even real evidence. When in fact, there was not sufficient evidence to prove a man guilty that most of the world was convinced had committed the crimes. That situation alone perhaps supports both our opinions. I believe the media influences the American public and rely on my faith in our judical system, and you say that the American way is guilty till proven innocent. I think I'm looking at the American way as the judicial system and you are looking at the American way from the pulic's point of view.