and there's the American solution

Well all those people know in there lives is fighting so the only way to change it is to kill them all , warn the innocent ones help them leave then drop the big One !

Just Like isreal they have been fighting for 100,s of yrs they wont stop ...

just razzing u mate... didn't wanna get stuck in war talk... more a venting of some anger over terrorism

Agreed SO hows the weather down under ? its cloudy and wet here has been all week .... lame try at changing the subject

last few days have been beautiful winter days in Sydney. Sunshine and about 20-21 Celcius... I dont know the Farenheit

Just a slight correction to your statement here, it's more like 10,000 years.

According to this logic slaves should have never been taught how to read and write either because for hundreds of years they couldn't do either and those that could couldn't do it in English.

In Israel you would want to fight too if you had been opressed against or if some assmunch group of terroists had attacked you. Oh yea an assmunch group of terrorists did attack and now we are at war with that group.






Don't mean to pick on you so much about your opinions, but I really am fed up with the attitude of "just nuke em" it will solve all our problems. Nuclear war is NOT an answer in any circumstance. The chain reaction that would start with a single nuclear attack from any country upon another would be worldwide catastrophe. If you don't feel like we are on the verge of WWIII, that would be a quick way to get it started.

It's funny how much death and suffering occur in the name of God. Muslims, Jews, Christians all believe in the same "God" yet look at all the conflict it causes. I'm Roman Catholic but I don't feel the need to push my beliefs or kill people in the name of my God. And I'm not just picking on Muslims, look at the shit that Christianity cuased through much of Middle Ages and beyond. And Judaism? They killed Jesus for pete's sake (just messing on that one, I'm not Mel Gibson).
I read an interesting quote from a heavy metal dude, who was accused of propagating Satanism: "It's hardly Satan worshippers who are blowing things up all over the world these days." I don't want to start a religious debate, but it's stupid how many problems extremist religious groups cause. Jihadist muslims blowing shit up, extremist Christians only seeing the world in black and white, good and evil. Just believe in what you want to believe, be spiritual, help people out when you can, try to evolve yourself as best as you can and let that be that.

And bondi, don't sweat it, there are THOUSANDS of flights a day, so the chances any crazy shit will happen is pretty slim.



Sheeeiiit, on our way to Vegas my wife got the "thorough"search, not a cavity search or anything but a pat down and everything. I think it's cuz she's a travel agent and tried correcting the first security dude's terminology of the difference between a ticket and a boarding. So he says to the next security woman, "She doesn't have a carry on" which must be code for "give her a hard freaking time!' haha. ANd then I got the same thing on our way back. And we're both whiter than Brooke Shields. Just thought I'd add my little anecdote.



Good points, especially about the nukes comments.
I think the states knows this too, otherwise they'd probably be firing these things off like bottle rockets on the 4th of July :
BOOM

The war in Iraq is not about these groups commiting these terrorist attacks. The war in Afghanistan is the one that not near as much effort was put on.

Saddam down the line supposedly helped the terrorists ALONG with MANY other countries. But the war with saddam is supposedly cause he was an immediate threat to us with all his weapons, than it was turned into a humanitarian thing cause he is a mean leader. Allthough there are countries in Africa with leaders far worse that are commiting genocide on people.

But anyway so many think that the war in Iraq is because of the terrorists and its not. Iraq was not responsible for the Terrorist Attacks here or in London or the new ones that were being attempted.



I feel bad for the Muslim religion cause these killings are not what they stand for. They are the work of extremist that say they are doing it in the name of there religion.

there is a chritain hate group throughout the United States that believes in barbaric killings of anyone non white in the name of god and they call themselves christian and any true christian knows this is not what the religion stands for.

An entire religion should not be blamed for these extremist cults. IMO

Good point, but a few bad always outshine the good as far a notoriety goes. ie. all priests molest boys.

It's funny, my boss always says "We should send all these Hindu's back to their own countries" whenever terrorist plots unfold. I tried to explain to him once that it is extremist Muslims not Hindus, but he seems to think everywhere from India to Turkey is one place sharing the same religious beliefs, so I've given up. Now when he goes on one of his tirades I just smile and nod politely.

Its much like here we have the ignorant americans saying we should send the blacks back to africa or what have you. I have had people ask what is the differance between Mexicans and Spanish. Ummm a whole freaking ocean?? Differant Foods, Culture??

People here when talking about 9/11 attacks say this is why it is good we got Saddam. ANd i just nod my head last time I checked Saddam was not OSAMA.


It all leads back to ignorance, and ignorance is what leads to all of these. Ignorance of others leads to hate, insecurity, anger, and so on. And than for those people the answer is death. I am not afraid of arabs any more than I am afriad of any other person. Shoot I watch a Reality show and the Muslim on the show is my favorite person allthough now he is off. But anyway maybe it is naive of me but I give everyone a fair shot no matter what they look like. if they respect me and are kind to me I give it back to them.

whoa whoa whoa, wait a second

you watch reality tv?!

Some I used to be big into it I watches MTV's Real World since season one.


But it sort of lost its appeal to me but there are still a few shows I watch.

Belicked no worries , I know were your coming from on the nuke but lets face it bullets and regular bombs havent got anybodys attention , we blew the shit out of them with planes and bombs and missles from ships and there still beating us to death with road side bombs , i have a new employee working for me that had 2 tour of duties over there in iRAq he saw it all and carried a rifle that fired 1200 rounds a minute he killed many ,does he talk about it NOPE , does it bother him , Your damn right , My point is here was a platoon of 50 all with the same gun so there firing 60,000. rounds a minute and the crazy people just kept coming , there fearless or stupid or both I dont know but if we dont do some kind of full attack we just as well come home and put sadamm back in ...

My opinion is we went in using the weapons and terrism as a reason the underlying reason is getting control of the suppply of Oil ,well guess what folks we got the supply of oil under our control and prices are still outrages , Im in a field were we burn a tremoudous amount of diesel fuel daily like about 1000 gallons , well up until monday we had been buying it for 2.40 or so well on monday cause of alaska pipeline it went to 3.10 and today its back to 2.75 well Im just a small fish so a $700. swing a day isnt that much but can you imagine a big operetor or even the railroads ... I hate to listen to people that just drive to work in there cars start complaining about fuel costs its a drop in the bucket compared to allot of business ..


I agree it is a shame to blame a whole faith Muslim on this but how does the average person pick out the good and the bad ? okay that sounded like Hitler but ya see were Im coming from ,,

Gnappy I get searched evrytime I board a plane , my bags get checked by the dogs and wiped down for drugs , I get man handled its cause when I board a plane I dress like a bum I like sweats and t shirt my wife always tell me If id dress better they would not bother But I have learned to joke with them not aurgue , and dont try to have a battle of wits with them most are not that inteligent .. But they have a job to do and just like a service men we need to thank them , the life they safe might be ours ...

Not aurging with anyone just sharing my opinions folks dont mean to piss anybody off ..

I would be willing to bet that out of all the muslims in this world most of them are not terrorist in comparrison. Its just all we hear about and I don't think nuking is gonna solve anything.

Probably not , Butt what will work ? I havent heard anyone here or in politics that have a answer , some say just come home , well then all the men and women that died over there died in vain cause the gorrilas are still there , I am wondering what the right answer is myself , I hate the thought of nuking anybody but there are devices in circulation that are not like the bombs they used during heroshima that dont stay around for that long ,, Im not saying this is the whole answer but why just keep killing and havng 10 to 50 killed a day from both sides it makes no sense if there is no goal at the end of the battle ...

okay sorry , I get carried away , the muslim thing is bad but its n different then lumping all the Harley riders together and saying (you ride a harley so you must be in gang ) I tell ya what one of the neatest things Ive seen is the 300 harley riders that come and escort the funeral parades for the soldiers that have died in Iraq to there final resting places , they call themselcves the freedom riders or something , they are a great group of riders and if thats a gang then Id join today ... Its just a lumping thing that people assume are bad ...

Hope ya all have a great weekend ...

Yep, that will solve your problems..Nuking small group of muslims. Rest of the world will love all americans after that

It's just "funny" how often religion is the reason for the war these days, I mean the whole idea of christianity (or many other religions) is supposed to be living in harmony, peace, calmness etc etc. I don't get it how you can put those words together with war, nukes, suicide-bombings..

Edit: I put my official "sorry-about-that-horrible-english"-tag here

Well your english is a lot better than my finnish.
Actually your english is a lot better than some of the people who speak it exclusively around here.

Its because the people doing this stuff are extremist and are taking there religious beliefs to interpet the words of there bible, or koran or what have you into things that were not meant. IT is why religion can be such a scary thing and why i have my own beliefs and relationship with god and don't place myself into a catergory.


DDD, I don't know what the answer is but I know it isn't to nuke them all. With all the countries that hate america out there I would hate to see them nuke us one day cause it was easier to get rid of us that way.


The people that did 9.11 did not fight our military they came after innocent bystanders to prove there political point to us and we were outraged. Nuking the whole middle east for the same reason would do the same thing times 100 cause the effects of a nuke would be far worse than an airplane crashing and the effects would last for generations of those people. Just like it did the Japanese, how many children were born with severe defects from it.

And you say give them warning, well one that would let the bad guys know what we are about to do and they are probably the only ones with the money and ability to get out of there so they escape and we end up nuking a whole bunch of innocent people?? Than we will be next and I guess we just all kill off eachother.

I agree 100%



Funny quote... and I know, but i wouldn't be human if this doesn't frighten me somewhat



I know the war in Iraq isn't re Terrorism that is why I am against it so much. It is Bush's wish to finish of daddy's unfinished business and he got my beloved Australia involved!

I also don't think an entire relegion cen be tarnished with the same brush but when Muslim leaders come out and cry foul at the poor treatment they may know get because of what has happened.... spare me!


*I have created a monster*

btw, what the hell happened to Osama Bin Laden and why nobody cares where he is nowdays? I thought he was the guy who planned these 9/11 attacks..

You want to stop terrorism. Give these sand dwelling fucks another book besides the Koran to read and feed them on occasion. You take a starving arab or starving ANYONE and give them some food and say .. " you get more food if you read this book" ( Koran ) and you have a piece of clay ready to mold to your twisted desire.

The cash The US has spent alone on this god damned multifront conflict is more than enough to feed every man woman and child in the arab nations 100 times over.

And whats up with the shieks in these countires profiting from the oil. You would think THEY would have a say in what goes on in their own lands as far as feeding folks. But what can you expect from a backwards ass area like the arabian peninsula. Still stuck in the god damned middle ages practicing a religion that has been twisted around by interpretation ( much like every other religion on this planet.)

I have a special intrest in this terrorism issue as I was getting ready to board a plane out of Columbus Ohio heading to Orlando on Sept. 11th Flight 1492.... tell me that wouldn't have been a perfect plane to jam into a place. More on this rant later.....

God damned islamic extremists....

He doesn't have Oil in his country so the US don't care

I thought this war in Iraq started because there was some clear evidence that Saddam Hussein was allied with Osama Bin Laden?

Suddenly this whole evidence material was just made up for the press and there was no link between Hussein and Bin Laden. Now there is a war in Iraq and nobody cares a *hit about where Bin Laden is, the same guy who actually planned these 9/11 attacks. I would be much more interested where this guy is.

Doesn't make any sense to me..



Edit: that same tag again

Spot on the money Janus....

end Osama and go a long way to screwing Al Queda, the Taliban etc

I ask this everyday, yesterday on another board I post at has been very ugly the past few days cause someone made a post saying to all of us that don't feel we should have been in Iraq how do we feel now with those terrorist stopped. HELLO DIFFERANT FREAKING GROUP not the people in Iraq but some people are to stupid to get that and they think they are connected a hell of a lot more than they are.

Anyway if my beloved country put near the effort into captuaring Osama they did Saddam I am sure we would have a lot of AQ caught and even Osama but we put in about 25% effort into that and 75% into Saddam who was not the IMMEDIATE threat as yesterday proved and the bus bombings did as well. I know a lot of the americans on here are pretty stong republicans and are gonna say no no no the war with Iraq is about the terrorism attacks blah blah blah but try to get someone else to buy it cause I don't. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

I agree CP it's all about daddys war and oil

No here is what we were told,

First it was,

Saddam has WMD and he is gonna kill us all in so many words. We are in immediate danger.

He helped the taliban, **along with 100's of other countires mind you** and logically we should go after the people who have helped them first and not the actual terrorists. **insert sarcasm tags**

So than when the WMD was sort of debunked it was more a humanaterian thing, this man is killing his people he is a horrible man blahj blah blah, All this is true mind you but in Arica entire groups of people are being slaughtered and genocide is happening I would think in ways of Humanaterian effort they would be a bigger priority.


But now a lot of people would have you believe saddam is osama himself and that is why we had to go in cause he is the true terrorist bombing all of us.

Don't let half my country know that it just cant be fathomed that there are ulterior motives for this war.

Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe for one!